It actually is.......at present, all weapons technology is biased heavily towards offense. If you're hit, you're dead. In Star Wars this is tends towards being very true on the fighter scale.....fighters can dish it out, but they can't take it.

Capital ships are obviously quite different, but in that case I'd argue that the defensive technology doesn't scale down very well.

You should note that Malanthor wasn't implying that you were.......just that it's his opinion that people who want point-blank, eating-the-gun-muzzle spaceship battles are not thinking things through.

So you're on the dev team now, eh?

.......

Since you're quite obviously not on the dev team for this mod, then who are you to say what the mod's purpose is?

Oh trust me, SoGE does not have much short ranged battles, most battles are in fact done over long distances. Short ranged battles tend to happen when you have fleets just entering/exiting a planet's gravity well, or are say near a frigate or capital ship factory. I'll admit you probably won't like this, the average weapons range is around twice that of the vanilla capital ships'.

The music however, is one of the gems of the mod. With much work by Ludo Kreesh, SoGE has a good deal of Star Wars music in it, leading to a very deep SW immersion. The Vong are also quite a difficult opponent, easily the most powerful in the game, as they should be. This doesn't mean they are impossible to defeat, not at all, though they are harder than the other factions.

Edit: Also the TIE Fighter has very strong laser cannons, and it is quite possible for them to take down an X-Wing with a well placed and/or charged up shot. Though this isn't possible in SoGE, I know that one laser hit certainly does not do 15 damage, even with maxed upgrades.

What's wrong is not one-shooting fighters, that's fine and happens pretty often when the ship is hit (I mean in Star Wars universe, and it's tolerable), what's wrong is one-shooting and kill fighters which are not even visible from the other fighter that is actually targeting them. They shouldn't even be able to target them since they are not visible, from a fighter prespective, but they also hit and kill them with one laser shot at the first try.

You're a funny guy, Whiskey.

EDIT: http://i52.tinypic.com/2d2irm1.jpg

That's a SD fighting. Cinematic mode on. Can you see enemy ships? I don't either, it would be great if those ships would be closer and actually make us see where and which they are shooting, the effects of damage... They aren't even visible now. The only way to have a clue on what's going on is to have cinematic mode off and see the icons, instead of the starships themselves. If you want to follow the battle through a capital ship view it's impossible to understand what's going on.

I will soon post other images and the difference between cinematic mode on and off. This doesn't happen in Sins of a Solar Empire vanilla.

EDIT 2: http://oi53.tinypic.com/ra2mba.jp

Ships are barely visible with cinematic mode on.

http://oi53.tinypic.com/246thmh.jpg

Cinematic mode off.

http://oi51.tinypic.com/e7jor5.jpg

Rebel perspective.

Look at this, instead. http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/s/sins_of_a_solar_empire-294377-1255159727.jpeg, a screenshot taken from the web, Sins of a Solar Empire, vanilla version. Battling is more intense, spectacular and epic.

First off, I'm going to say that fighter weapons should have the range that they do in the mod, because the capital ship and frigate flak guns have fairly long range- if the fighters had weapons range short enough that they had to see each other clearly......then they would be completely useless against proper warships.

That said........IRL that's a lot like how it would work. There is no horizon in space, so a laser or missile has stupendous range.....which dictates the necessity of telescopic optics solutions for targeting and tracking.

AFAIK, the reason for this in the mod is to have large-scale battles, that involve many, many combatants. Also remember that, scale-wise, planets&gravity wells, are, IIRC/AFAIK, larger, and the unit models are smaller than vanilla.

Hazarding a guess here, but I'd say that part of the reason behind the fact that ships can't see each other all that well when zoomed in on one combatant may be to help lag; if the target is far enough away that it is rendered as an icon....well, that reduces lag, now doesn't it?

How and why?

It's likely it does do 15 DPS.......but when factored against shield mitigation, armor points, and armor types, it gets reduced drastically.

Wow you made a polite answer there. Nice too see one from you, finally.

http://oi56.tinypic.com/5a3wvp.jpg http://oi56.tinypic.com/2i7pxqa.jpg close fight, because my ships came out from hyperspace jump. Ok, I don't want fighting to be THAT close, but at least closer than previous screenshots I've showen.

O RLY?

And as has been noted by developer peeps, the mod is biased towards large-scale combat, not close-range duels between opposing ships and fighter squadrons.

EDIT: If you want to continue this, make a new thread. It would be more considerate to the SoaGE devs to split the discussion into a new thread.

You might be right on that. Though do note I said with a single shot, and not DPS.

As for ship ranges, the big SW battles, notably in Episode 3 and 6, were close range due to their respective cases. The former was a feint to capture Palpatine, and the latter was actually a risky move, even in the movie itself people were at first surprised by Ackbar's decision to move to point-blank range, though it was necessary as to avoid the Death Star's super laser. SoGE is meant for battles of scale, large fleets going head to head. In this scenario, ranges would be and should be massive, as this is canonly speaking how ranged SW weaponry is, and fits into our image of the mod.

However, weapon ranges are easy to change, as entity files can be edited in Notepad and similar programs. If you wish to have closer ranged combat, feel free to edit the ship's weapon ranges.

For gameplay and balance akin to the original Sins, I recommend Star Wars Requiem mod

While this mod uses the Sins engine, it deliberately does not follow the gameplay nor attempt to keep the scale at a graphical eye-candy level. To say we need to follow the movies... we don't. The movies just don't portray what we want - SOGE is really a game for masses of starships to duke it out. Eville Jedi designed it that way -that's why there are large gravity wells, many types of ships, many full races, long range of weapons, etc. With that, we are taking some artistic license that may not be accurate to the movies. That's just the way we roll.

So I wouldn't expect a lot of changes to happen there. If there are any specific changes that would make the gameplay better, we'd absolutely consider it. But changing the scale of the game itself is not something we intend to do.

Ah, but it's quite likely that it's more accurate to the multitude of portrayals in EU novels and such.

So for the nitpickers, you can still say it's a "canon" representation.

Either way, I rather like it a lot.

I did not say to change the scale of the game... I just suggested to shorten ships firing range so that every match becomes more massive, more intense and more epic. The scale of the game itself would actually increase, battles become interesting already with few ships involved, and not only with large armies, as it is now, and also with a heavy numbers of ships the battles would become more spectacular.

The weapon platforms need a size change, they are alot bigger than the golan starbase and even huge starships, it is a real mood breaker every time i see them, other than that everything is just great.

Noted; working on changing scaling for several structures atm and will bring those into play, thanks.

can you guys make a mini mod and add some star wars planet types in? Please? This is one of the most "mood breakers" as malanthor put it. I hate not having coruscant or endor or manaan or any of these other archetype planets show up.

SVN Beta. Get it. Learn it. Love it.

At least that's what I've heard.